Wednesday, March 15, 2006

I haven't been working with Visual Studio 2005 that much thus far; the project I've been working on for the last 8 or so months was launched before VS2005 came out (around beta 2), and given the relatively schedules between milestones (first version was to be demoed in about two months) it seemed far too risky to invest in a codebase around the yet-unproven features of .NET 2.0.

I still think that was the right decision. I've been doing some work with Visual Studio 2005 lately, primarily on PostXING and other minor projects, and have come to the conclusion that Visual Studio 2005 is practically unusable. The IDE is even heavier than Visual Studio 2003, ridiculously slow and extremely prone to stalls; it feels like working on a huge solution in VS2003 with a buggy alpha version of ReSharper. The debugger has an incredibly annoying tendency to just stall for tens of seconds at a time whenever I step in/out/over. The IDE feels more like NetBeans than Visual Studio, and is about as responsive, but while NetBeans can be forgiven as a relatively new - and partially open source at that - effort, Visual Studio 2005 is an evolutionary step on a reasonably mature IDE that itself is the 7th version of a 12 or so year-old effort.

Too bad I can't really stick with 2003, it's just not an option - but I would rather have my trusty old combination of VS2003 and R# (which in itself is not without issues) than the heap of bugs and unoptimized UI that is VS2005. At least until VS2005.1 comes along (maybe they'll launch VS2006 with .NET 2.1, like they did with 2003...)

 

Wednesday, March 15, 2006 9:42:43 PM (Jerusalem Standard Time, UTC+02:00)
I've been (and still) working here and there with VS2005 (Team Suite) + CodeRush Plugin, and none of the things you mentioned above ever occured to me.
Maybe my station is stronger than yours, maybe you're working on a much bigger project, or maybe it's pure luck..
Yoav F
Wednesday, March 15, 2006 10:15:55 PM (Jerusalem Standard Time, UTC+02:00)
Combination of the latter two. I work with VS2005 vanilla (i.e. no ReSharper or any such plugin), and it's hell-slow. The workstation itself is an Athlon 64 3500+, so I doubt you have anything considerably more powerful.
Thursday, March 16, 2006 9:26:09 PM (Jerusalem Standard Time, UTC+02:00)
So I guess it could only mean that MS hates you :)
Yoav F
Thursday, March 16, 2006 11:44:04 PM (Jerusalem Standard Time, UTC+02:00)
Oh, BTW:
Why can't you make the comments open in a seperated windows, or in an internal frame inside the blog's page (Like israblog has now), or something like that?
Yoav F
Friday, March 17, 2006 2:12:59 PM (Jerusalem Standard Time, UTC+02:00)
Well, to do the first (i.e. separate windows) just open the article link in a new page. As for the second, it's not supported by dasBlog; I could hack it, but I wouldn't want to preload all comments for a given set of blogposts, and it would take some AJAX trickery to get it to work dynamically. I don't really have the knowhow nor the time to do that...
Friday, March 17, 2006 2:31:55 PM (Jerusalem Standard Time, UTC+02:00)
Hmmm... ok then :)
Another kinda-annoying thing is that after you post a comment, you go back to the main blog's page, instead to the page of the post (+its comments, of course) you just commented about
Yoav F
Wednesday, March 22, 2006 3:52:03 PM (Jerusalem Standard Time, UTC+02:00)
I've also had the luck encountering really annoying delays in the IDE.

A quick search in google came with a few solutions:

1. Close designer.
2. Set word wrapping off.
3. Shutdown that dynamic help navigator.

Hope I didn't miss anything, Enjoy.
Thursday, March 23, 2006 5:11:33 PM (Jerusalem Standard Time, UTC+02:00)
Tomer,
The problems you mentioned are a problem on your specific workstation or one of the plugins you are using.

On my WS, the IDE opens after 2 sec and I can start working.
it never crushes or halts, even when I work with TFS...

It did became slower after I added some plugins for testing like coderush or resharper, so try to remove the plugins and see what happens.

Eli.
Eli Ofek
Friday, March 24, 2006 2:39:29 PM (Jerusalem Standard Time, UTC+02:00)
Sorry, but that's not the case. This is a vanilla installation of VS2005 without R# or any other plugins. Working on a project of even medium scale (such as PostXING) can get so slow it's beyond frustrating.

On my laptop (Dothan 1.7GHz, 1GB RAM and 7200 RPM hard drive) it seems to start up fast enough after the first time, but whenever I do anything such as working in designer mode or running any sort of refactoring tool it grinds to a crawl.
Tuesday, September 05, 2006 2:28:47 AM (Jerusalem Standard Time, UTC+02:00)
A late, possibly pointless reply, but VS2005 is snappy on my AMD 1.1GHZ (overclocked to 1.3GHZ) with 512MB of RAM (winxp SP2) and a crappy old 20GB hard drive. That's under all conditions with big and small projects (including projects which involve SQL Server Express 2005 databases). I can even run a couple of the VS2005 IDE's concurrently. If I remove a stick of RAM to take it down to 256MB then the VS2005 IDE starts to severely lag. I'd say any problems people are having with slowness is workstation specific, possibly an issue with other installed software.
Wednesday, September 06, 2006 7:42:30 PM (Jerusalem Standard Time, UTC+02:00)
Belated replies are cool by me. As I mentioned in the previous post, the problem with VS2k5 being slow is also relevant to clean installs; and besides, other software being installed on the machine is not in itself an excuse for being slow. Particularly when most other software runs peachy.
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